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Post by America on Jul 11, 2009 15:21:33 GMT -8
They do not get their $1200 back. That's a donation you might say to the league. Thanks! ;D What about the Bearcats? Will they be compensated at all. In all seriousness, this is exactly why the NWFL leadership was so hostile to new owners. Compared to the intense questioning and at the league meeting, fielding a team was easy. The NAFLNW is not hostel at all. The owners come before us and all members cast a vote of yes or no. It gets easier as time goes on. Teams that were struggling like the Mustangs were encouraged to look at other leagues to play in. We all have eyes and watch whats going on. The NAFLNW would never bring on an ownership group like whats running the Tacoma Invaders for example. The ownership group of the Longhorns has done shot it's self in the foot. They won't be back even if they beg. But its up to all members to cast a vote. No dictatorship.
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Post by Big Fish Bulldog President on Jul 12, 2009 0:38:22 GMT -8
I hope this ends semi pro for Canadian teams for good. The Spartans were the best product anyone has ever seen put together in one year. Kudos to Tod Shacklford and crew for that. It isn't really fair that most teams had the border to deal with however.
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Post by NOONE on Jul 12, 2009 20:41:59 GMT -8
The NAFLNW is not hostile at all. The owners come before us and all members cast a vote of yes or no. When's the last time a first year NWFL team forfeited a game or dropped off the schedule? The owners are very demanding of new teams. "Cross every t and dot every i" or don't waste their time. So many teams were applying they instituted the application fee just to thin them out. They won't be back even if they beg. But its up to all members to cast a vote. No dictatorship. Just like the NWFL.
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Post by America on Jul 13, 2009 2:44:39 GMT -8
John,
You need to attend NWFL meetings.
2009 No.... but....
You forgot about the Multnomah County Buccaneers. The Jags never saw the Buc's for 3 seasons. The Bucs (a team allowed to play in the NWFL every season by the NWFL commissioner despite objections by some NWFL team owners) were a rag tag team that played with various colored uniforms, helmets and basketball shorts. The Buc's forfeited games twice on the Jags. Both times at game time once in Kent and once in Auburn because the Bucs never showed up at the game at all. Both times in 2005 and 2007 we had guys in uniform, fans in the stands and refs on the field. We had to turn fans away, give back their money and paid the refs. Very embarrassing. Thank God the field costs were waved because the school ADs understood semi pro teams.
In 2006 before the schedule was posted, the Jags refused to play the Bucs and we played Yakima instead.
Remember the old Willamete Valley Raiders?
All semi pro leagues have issues no matter what they do..
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Post by NOONE on Jul 13, 2009 5:37:59 GMT -8
Rob,
I attended league meetings religiously for about 10 years.
The NWFL didn't hear a team's proposal and vote on them at the same meeting. New teams were vetted at the first meeting to see if they were even worth checking out. If that went well then the league spent teim making contacts and checking references. If that went well, then the following meeting the owners/team reps answered any questions that came up and then the vote took place. The owners did not restrict their conversations regarding new teams to the meetings. There was a lot of discussion via telephone/email inbetween meetings.
Regarding the Bucs, again, you answered a question I did not ask. The Bucs had no problems with games or uniforms during their first 4 seasons (2000-2003).
The question stands: When's the last time a first year NWFL team forfeited a game or dropped off the schedule?
Regarding the Bucs ...
Prior to 2004, the heart of their team, Jay Atwood stepped down, and the team could not complete the season. They forfeited in week 2 at home, played their next 4 games, then forfeited their last 4 (2 home, 2 away).
In 2005 they were 9 for 9 (including 2 preseason games) and then missed 2 of their last 3 games (@jags, @saints). Those teams were a combined 19-1 and each would have destroyed them. From a league point of view, it's inexcusable. I don't like or condone what happened, but I can understand how a handful of guys running the team out of pocket didn't want to drive 3-4 hours to get the snot beat out of them. They gave an acceptable reason as to why they missed their last 2 home games and league gave them a second chance.
In 2006, they met all their game obligations.
2007 they folded with 4 games left and they were out of second chances.
The Bucs are an example of the NWFL "dictator" giving an established team several chances to get their act together.
Bucs history win-loss points scored-points allowed (overall) with Jay Atwood '00 7-3 217-117 (9-4 281-171) '01 8-2 286 70 (13-2 432-169 NWFL/NFA West Champs) '02 7-1 231-90 ( 8-2 278-168) '03 7-2 198-140 (7-3 205-164)
without Jay Atwood '04 3-7 57-258 (3-8 205-278) (5 missed games) '05 1-9 59-212 (2 missed games) '06 1-6 30-180 (zero missed games) '07 1-9 42-260 (5 missed games)
What about the Willamette Valley Raiders?
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Post by bearcat58 on Jul 13, 2009 18:07:04 GMT -8
asheylarry; your right about that team they were on our schedule and I had another team that was going to come with gear an players just in case they didn't show or came with like 15 players. we can't handle a forfeit at home in our first year. If they showed and were legit the other team was just going to watch us an enjoy the party.
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Post by coachclark on Jul 13, 2009 23:52:38 GMT -8
John, Cut the cord dude. Quit defending something that is not there. The whole Atwood thing was to make sure the Bucs were gone for good. I know it and you know it. I like baines but he needs to get off his high horse and just let things happen. All this talk about calls being made to check up on possible teams that wanted to join the NWFL is hog wash. If we wanted to bring the Blackshirts into the NWFL we would have been in "cheap". I know this for a fact. The NWFL did NOT have guys wanting to start teams up in the NWFL. Just face it the NWFL has run its course and is done.
As for the teams of the NWFL, lets break this down. I believe its only 4 now
Cavs; Short season and the runners of the team are now the Bearcats
Vikings; Jeff fisher, knows how to run a team and is a damn good coach. Would be a great addition to any league they would decide to go to. pay league or not. And I like Rico.
TBolts; Well we all know I am and will always be a bolt fan. Well ran organization, way above average coaching, and always a contender to the championship. Obviously also a good addition to any league. paid or not. lol
Bengals; Not knowing much more than the fact that Baines knows football and can coach better than all of us. I would say that if Baines ever felt like doing nothing but coaching the Bengals and droping the league commisioner thing he would end up dominating the NW! I would coach or play for him.
all this being said. It looks like the NWFL was succesful at creating good teams but I truely believe that it was the team owners and coaches and players, not the league. The meetings were a joke. nothing ever got done at them. No one could fully agree on anything. And as for the the league upping the league fees to weed out the "wannabees". that was nothing more than a ploy to get more money in their pockets.
I could go on with what I know but I digress. I finish with the fact that I have respect for the individuals but not for the "league".
But hey we could keep beating this dead horse. Never underestimate how much fun it really it is to stand around and kick a dead horse.
BTW. The Blackshirts are not only a JV team. We are a sucky JV team.
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Post by NOONE on Jul 14, 2009 12:20:58 GMT -8
Except for a few minor facts, we don't disagree on much. People need to be honest about the past. There's no need for people to rewrite history because they don't like or agree with decisions that were made or the way things were run. What "Atwood thing"? Who was making sure the Bucs were gone for good? Leaders don't "let things happen". Good things don't just happen. For example, the NAFL wouldn't be in the Northwest if not for the former owner of the Jaguars. That didn't just happen. A lot of work was involved. That vision was different than the vision of most of the other NWFL owners so there was a split. There's nothing wrong with that. There doesn't need to be any negative feelings or revisionist history. Some owners want to be a part of something big, others just want to coach football and don't mind obscurity. I finish with the fact that I have respect for the individuals but not for the "league". In semi-pro the owners and coaches are the "league". Any semi-pro league is run by those who show up to meetings. The NWFL did NOT have guys wanting to start teams up in the NWFL. vs And as for the the league upping the league fees to weed out the "wannabees". that was nothing more than a ploy to get more money in their pockets. What money? They NWFL's only source of income is league fees from new teams and your version of reality states that no new teams joined. Even before the NWFL raised the fee for joining, they never needed to have any yearly dues because of new teams. Not having yearly dues was a mistake in my view, but that's another thread. Seriously though, are you really accusing people you claim to respect of embezzling money? Why do you feel that is necessary? You think they embezzled money but you respect them anyway? Really? The only team that benefitted from any league money was the championship team. The league occasionally helped fund travel to post-season games or gave the team money for championship t-shirts or hats. League money was also used to fund the preseason jamborees. Until recently there were enough new teams willing to pay the fee to join the league that the NWFL never needed to require yearly dues to cover any operating costs. If there was a Hall of Fame for dead horse beaters you might be on the first ballot.
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Post by NOONE on Jul 14, 2009 14:22:51 GMT -8
Great post Mark.
Thanks for the correction on the Bucks. I had forgotten about that. I wonder if the NWFL itself is what did them in. After paying to join the league the owner couldn't afford to run the team. Fortunately for the players, the coach stepped up and has kept semi-pro football alive in Wenatchee with the Rams.
No disagreement that the NWFL is stubborn.
I think the Shockers absolutely were a catalyst for a new vision in the region, and I don't think that's a bad thing at all. I was hoping that competition would make the NWFL stronger and they'd adopt some new ideas.
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Post by America on Jul 14, 2009 15:55:21 GMT -8
In all seriousness, this is exactly why the NWFL leadership was The NAFLNW would never bring on an ownership group like whats running the Tacoma Invaders for example. Rob, I disagree what about the Cottage Grove Gryphons who had on ther staff the guy that did not pay his bills while in the NNFL in 2001. That team is a joke! They have tried to get a team here last year and this year but the way they went about recruiting back fired. They tried to go to the games of the NNFL and OFL and ask players to play for them and even two NNFL coaches after the game. That is bush league period. Those guys thought there owner was shady so no team will recommend there layers playing for them. I practiced at the same place they were are and there players came to me and ask to play for us because we looked organized. Thus, there players bailed. They were even going to forfiet every away game just to field a team this season. Thanks Larry. The Gryphons should have called themselves the Phantoms because we never saw them. ;D The Gryphons ownership is done. Take care...
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Post by fan1 on Jun 3, 2011 19:39:37 GMT -8
Boise vs Salt Lake
Salt Lake vs Tacoma
Medford , OR vs South King County
Any other games forfeited this year?
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